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well welcome back uh inside mission

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control you're now close up at the

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public affairs console and as i

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mentioned a few minutes ago um laura

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lucier who is the robotics officer is

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actually on console all day today

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and uh of course she's keenly interested

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in

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all of the activities associated with

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the robotic arm of the station canadarm2

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but also of course the the eba that you

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just saw ernie bell describe

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as part of his press conference a week

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or so ago so laura thanks a lot for

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stepping off over there and coming over

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here and joining us i appreciate it my

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pleasure kyle it's always nice to have a

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little break

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well um i was describing earlier you

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know the robotics function is uh

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integral to just about every spacewalk

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um but you guys uh have a a very big

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task associated with this flight but i

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it's it's no better to hear from the

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experts so um and of course you you've

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been here you you sent me a note you've

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been here 11 years now have you been a

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front room how long have you been front

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room flight controller i've been a front

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room flight controller since oh boy

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you put me on the spot there um four or

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five years now so so no stranger to uh

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what happens in the front room and of

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course we you know everybody has uh

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backroom support but

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talk a little bit about

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uh specifically what this eva has in

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store for you guys

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and there's some little nuances that

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we'll talk about too but talk to me

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about what you guys have planned for

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tomorrow

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well for those of you who are just

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watching the eva briefing video overview

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you saw the animations of what we'll be

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doing and the big thing about canadarm2

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is it gives the eva crew a good stable

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work platform so if they need to reach

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things that otherwise they couldn't

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easily reach or in this case maneuver a

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big piece of hardware so we've got these

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two big grapple bars they need to be

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moved from the payload or you

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accommodation or the poa as we call it

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taken off of there and move to their

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permanent stow locations on the iss

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truss so those are big pieces of

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hardware they're tough to move around so

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we're going to

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put luca on the end of the arm and we'll

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be able to use the arm to help maneuver

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him while he's holding those big pieces

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of hardware into position do you um

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when you have a new crew member like

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luca is of course you all

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i assume y'all all worked together

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before they even launched so um when you

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have a new crew member you tend to

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train with that person on the on the end

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of the arm for stability just for

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maybe for familiarization uh but once

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they get past that like their second or

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third eva they they may be a free

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floater

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that's what i've seen in the past is

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that kind of how that was planned for

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him or or does it matter

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i don't know what decision making went

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into this specific eva uh certainly free

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complexities especially because of the

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size of the oru that you mentioned

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absolutely and you know moving on the

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arm also has its own nuances

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in particular one of the big things is

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the coordination and the communication

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between the arm operator who will be

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karen inside and luca on the end of the

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arm they have to make sure that they've

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rehearsed all of their communication all

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their coordination there'll be points

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during the eva where luca will be asking

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karen okay move me one meter to my left

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or two meters forward or backwards or to

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the side and so all of those calls and

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communications are what we really

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rehearse ahead of time and we need to

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make sure our crew members are working

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well together on all of that now you

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mentioned the rus you you have a couple

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of images i don't know if you want to

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talk to those now but

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there's your first one

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yes that's right and here you can see

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this is kind of just a screenshot

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similar to the briefing overview

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animations that i know you guys have

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been showing recently and this is a

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picture of well an animated picture of

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luca on the end of the arm reaching out

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to grab those grapple bars and you can

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center of the arm of course we've

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highlighted luca in bright red there so

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he's easy to pick out you can see how

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he's perched on the end of the arm

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reaching out to grab these big pieces of

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equipment

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in the next picture you can see a shot

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of him holding the grapple bars in

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position at their permanent stow place

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this is the grapple bars that are going

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on to the starboard truss

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and of course chris will be free flow as

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you mentioned and coming in to help bolt

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those down into place

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and the third shot is just a similar

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position of the second grapple bars

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a real good example of the

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choreography if you will between

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robotics and the humans obviously the

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two crew members that perform the space

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and you talked about the training but

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how much do you have an idea of how much

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you guys trained knowing this was coming

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how much you trained before they

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actually flew

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absolutely uh well over a year ago we

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started working on the detailed

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procedures of course as you and i'm sure

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your viewers know we spend a lot of time

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sussing out every single little detail

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and we develop for the crew line by line

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instructions or procedures on how to

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perform these operations so we started

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working on those well over a year ago

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and then of course we started training

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the crew

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as you probably also know our crew

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members spend a lot of time traveling so

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in between their various trips to russia

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japan europe

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we had training sessions with them here

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in the united states and we taught them

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first of all generically how the arm

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operates how to fly the canadarm2 but

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task and we use a lot of different

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facilities to do that we did a lot of

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training sessions in the virtual reality

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laboratory together with the eva crew

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members they wear their helmets and they

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get to see a visualization of the space

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station and with karen at simulated arm

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controls actually moving them around and

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that's one of our biggest opportunities

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to rehearse it we also use

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the neutral buoyancy laboratory which

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has a mock-up of the arm an actual

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operating hydraulic arm and we practice

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maneuvering the crew members around in

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there so all of those things together

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give us a chance to rehearse both that

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coordination that i was talking about

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earlier but also to time everything out

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because we need to know down to the

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minute how quickly all of these tasks

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are going to go right so so

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the johnson space center in another

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building um over in the space vehicle

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mock-up facility um

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another uh activity of course is you

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know after they get up there you guys

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aren't all together anymore in terms of

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face to face that is

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but they they have a robotic simulator

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on board that they can

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basically rehearse as well right that's

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different ones one is called robot which

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actually has joystick hand controllers

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the crew can actually practice moving

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around a virtual arm in a virtual

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called doug and doug provides

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purely graphics not an opportunity to

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fly a simulated arm but an opportunity

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for the crew to step through or jump

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this uh arm and simulate flying it

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through the various positions and so

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just recently in fact last friday we had

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a session for karen where she had was

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scheduled for some time to go in and fly

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through the robotics procedure and

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revisit them and freshen her memory

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now one of the things i want to mention

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agency

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she has a mechanical engineering and

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aerospace engineering degrees right

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the one things i'm fascinated by is

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i don't know if telerobotics is the

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um typically uh when we have uh crew

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enough crew members in terms of like u.s

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backup robotics officer that could spell

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the person if it's a long eva they take

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turns right over tat or they train for

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different tasks or take turns

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fascinated by is

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karen has no backup on board

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so her backup is sitting right here next

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got to be something that's uh

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maybe like the super bowl for i don't

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know for robotics is getting to operate

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an arm that's you know circling the

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earth 250 miles up

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absolutely that's by far my favorite

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capability to operate canadarm2 and of

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course dexter which is the two-armed

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robot from the ground and for a lot of

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our operations moving pieces of hardware

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swapping out various payloads we do that

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completely 100 from the ground so the

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crew might go to sleep one night wake up

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the next morning and the robot is in a

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completely different place from where

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they left it which is i'd always like to

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go and you know tap on the window and

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look inside we're not quite at that

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stage but it's a it's a lot of fun and

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you're right it's very surreal to be

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able to sit here in mission control and

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send commands and move this

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robot way up there on the space station

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the end of the arm and

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the time pressures of a spacewalk going

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as smoothly as possible so it will all

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be karen moving the arm unfortunately

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she won't have anyone to spell her off

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but that second person

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performs a lot of checks they're making

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sure that

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the cameras are set up the way you would

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need to monitor tight clearances or

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tough positions that you're getting into

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they also make sure that appropriate

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software

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files are loaded for the command

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parameters for the arm

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additionally when we move the arm a lot

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of the time we move it using joysticks

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but a lot of time we'll also type in a

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final position that we want the arm to

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maneuver to and essentially press a big

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go button and the arm will maneuver to

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that position and of course as you can

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imagine making sure you type in that

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destination position accurately is a

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very big deal

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and so that is the kind of thing that

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the backup person what we call the m2

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would do and so we'll be performing

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those functions from the ground so

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there'll be various points in uh

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in the procedure tomorrow where karen

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will be holding

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and waiting to get a call

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from myself

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through the capcom

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to say yes

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that destination looks good or the

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appropriate file is loaded your go to

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proceed and so that's how we'll be doing

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that function from the ground tomorrow

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great so quite a bit of

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choreography between

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the ground

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you may not hear it on nasa tv but

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through the flight director through

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capcom up so you'll hear a lot of

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interaction not only between the eva

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officer ernie bell obviously and his

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team but also with with you and and your

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team as well that's right

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so it's a it's a very intricate process

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and and obviously robotics is a big part

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of what you'll see tomorrow and um

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laura was kind enough to take a few

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minutes as she is on duty in the room

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right now on this shift so she's on

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until 3 3 30 this afternoon so

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it was great of you to stop by and

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describe what's in store for tomorrow

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and we're looking forward to seeing it

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all thanks a lot for coming by so am i

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my pleasure

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that's laura lucier she's the robotics

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officer here in the room on the current

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shift and she'll be on duty tomorrow

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throughout the

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eva that chris cassidy and luca